There’s a lot more to Wonder Man

I was watching the wonder man trailer and I liked it and I also liked that the trailer is clearly hiding what’s actually going on in the show. It really only focused on the acting part of the show but there’s a whole other side.

We know Simon has or will get powers somehow. Not to mention Grim Reaper is in the show and Ed Harris’ character Neal who is supposedly an antagonist as well as that DODC agent is in the show so I’m excited to see the other half of what the show has to offer.

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EEDDDWWWAARRRD2025-10-12 05:51

I wouldn't be surprised if the trailer we saw is like the first episode or even a small part of it.

Bulldozer71332025-10-12 11:18

This reminds me of Deadpool Maximum Effort Bridge Scene

In the trailer you would have thought that was the whole movie, when in fact it was just a very small part

MyPeggyTzu2025-10-12 13:46

You thought that whole movie would take place on an expressway?

14_EricTheRed2025-10-12 13:59

A Deadpool Mad Max style long ass chase movie would be entertaining

mariusioannesp2025-10-12 20:20

One of the earliest ideas for Deadpool 3 was a road trip movie.

GeoJumper2025-10-13 10:22

It pretty much felt like half of it was one.

tHr0AwAy762025-10-12 15:37

No but people thought that was gonna be the entire third act. Also had people speculating on a Xforce movie hard.

machine_made2025-10-12 15:50

Dredd takes place in a single apartment block building (although it’s still a huge space) so a confined area for a low budget superhero movie would not be crazy.

MajorNoodles2025-10-12 17:06

Hawkeye Season 2 is supposedly gonna be the same thing

Dasheek2025-10-12 17:55

Hawkeye: Die Hardest

HyruleBalverine2025-10-12 20:02

Hawk Eye Hard

PNWCoug422025-10-12 17:33

It's such a fucking shame that Dredd hasn't gotten a sequel.

BravoLeader30002025-10-13 13:31

💯

BackgroundWindchimes2025-10-12 05:57

After finding out they used AI to make a bunch of stuff on set, that’s all I need to know to not watch it.

MarvG052025-10-12 06:01

AcreaRising42025-10-12 06:04

No they didn’t

BackgroundWindchimes2025-10-12 06:11

Yea, because it’s not as if they used AI for Loki season 2, Fantastic Four, and Secret Invasion, right?

AUnknownVariable2025-10-12 06:59

Idk about the rest of the, but Secret Invasion was very clear and in the open, it was entirely planned, even if the thought process for it was dumb.

AI was not used in Loki, but was likely used to assist in making some or one of the posters. That isn't the same as using it for the creative process of the actual show, especially considering most posters from them are just cuts of the characters with a title.

No imo, Fantastic 4 possibly maybe used ai for its posters? It doesn't even look like ai as much as it does a shitty use of photoshop for most of the shit there was. I remember having a really lengthy conversation about that. What I'm thinking is it was shitty photoshop touched up with ai at most, but it could be the reverse.

Wonder Mans posters were confirmed to be touched up by ai and yk what? I don't mind it. My problem with ai is when it's taking the jobs from artists and taking people out of jobs. Artists doing their shit and then using a tool to help them a bit? That's fine. You could say this may evolve into everything being mad with ai and I'd say maybe one day, but this isn't that.

bappischungo2025-10-12 07:00

They didn’t use AI for Loki or F4

Jaqulean2025-10-12 07:00

>Yea, because it’s not as if they used AI for Loki season 2, Fantastic Four, and Secret Invasion, right?

We know the producers used AI for the "Secret Invasion" opening sequence because they wanted it to look weird - I'm not saying that it was a good idea; just why it happend.

As for Loki and F4 - you are literally making stuff up and can't even provide any actual proof for it.

JLD25032025-10-12 06:06

Where did you find that out? Do you have anything to backup your claim?

Not fully doubting you btw. Some parts like the movie poster looked like it was AI generated but I would rather clear up misinformation than take things at face value.

SnooRecipes94402025-10-12 06:28

Marvel employees were asked whether the ‘WONDER MAN’ poster for the in-universe movie was created using AI.

“Its artwork made by artists but touched up by AI,” which was clarified with “so, really AI-assisted Photoshop work,” and the response was “yes.”

(via: searcher_gold | X)

SnooRecipes94402025-10-12 06:28

@nerd_talks_show as a source too

JLD25032025-10-12 07:04

So in other words, nothing was AI generated and it was actually AI filters/image editing software provided by Photoshop. No AI prompts were used and artists still did their job.

Mummy-Dust2025-10-12 06:21

You have actual evidence or sources on this or is this a “trust me bro” situation?

BackgroundWindchimes2025-10-12 06:24

Go look at the images from their NYCC booth. The in-universe Original Wonderman merch is all AI generated. The staff member at the booth confirmed it. There’s plenty of picture as posted on this sub.

Mummy-Dust2025-10-12 06:41

I’m not gonna go do your research for you bro.

ModernBass2025-10-12 06:54

They confirmed they used AI assisted software. You know what else is AI assisted? ✨Photoshop✨, or almost every other editing software

BleakCountry2025-10-12 06:07

I highly doubt we are getting 8 episodes of Hollywood drama in an MCU show, so yeah it's a given that at some point the show will switch into something completely different that we haven't really seen so far.

frghu22025-10-12 07:36

episode 1 will be unique and interesting, episodes 2 will have better production value but the story will fall flat as they introduce a second mcu franchise character.

Episodes 3-6 will have nothing to do with the first 2 and its just standard disney plus fare with dialogue that tries to be funny but isnt.

The last two will be overly and unnecessarily dramatic that doesnt fit with the rest of the show but is served to tease the next season and introduce another new mcu character

Notoriously_So2025-10-12 09:36

Probably not for the whole show, but it looked like more than just 1 episode from the trailer.

ADH-Dad2025-10-12 16:26

As usual, we'll get two and a half episodes of "thoughtful new take on the genre" and then six episodes of flying and punching.

PT102025-10-12 17:15

Just how I like it. Every movie needs more flying and punching. And perhaps a kick every now and then.

HyruleBalverine2025-10-12 20:08

And some Gun Kata

hotheaded262025-10-13 01:16

Yeah no if the thoughtful new take on the genre isn't a superhero series in the slightest then uh... i mean It's still cool but it's not what i'm here for lmao

Le_Juice_2025-10-12 06:29

For now we can only Wonder, Man

Optimus_Prime26292025-10-12 06:35

![gif](giphy|Ivw3Gzk8EK495WrQmk)

Sue_Generoux2025-10-12 06:43

"Say that agian"?

Why, because we should wait and sea?

biZarrmeggeDon2025-10-12 07:08

What are you talking aboat?

TheIratePrimate2025-10-12 07:29

This guy Canadians.

Canehdian-Behcon2025-10-12 15:17

I'd need to check his pronunciation of "poutine"

SkullsNelbowEye2025-10-12 17:55

A boot.

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iamseriousshirley2025-10-12 09:25

What time is it Ben?

fass_mcawesome2025-10-12 13:18

Not my speed, not my tempo.

addicted_to_trash2025-10-13 11:47

Nobody here reads comics bro

resisttheoccupation2025-10-12 06:57

![gif](giphy|ylyUQlVLID7S1cw6Ck)

fury269032025-10-12 16:10

ts still frying me dawg

Le_Juice_2025-10-12 16:12

I mean the post title suggested that...

mighty_phi2025-10-13 01:17

man, i wonder about that...

Maximum_Character_472025-10-13 02:36

Dude... mic drop

SalukiKnightX2025-10-12 06:31

Ed Harris is in the show?

weebaz19732025-10-12 10:10

Yep

evilsniperxv2025-10-12 07:01

Both my friend and I watched it, and at the end said out loud, “looks kinda dumb.” I think it’s by far the weakest marvel trailer we’ve ever gotten.

Ordinary-leaker-16882025-10-12 07:17

People are gonna be shocked...But this actually a horror-comedy show not a drama

alenpetak112025-10-12 17:21

Well, MCU movies and shows in recent time try to be every movie genre mixed into one mess. So i already can predict to Wonder Man is gonna be roasted left and right.

knottyErin2622025-10-12 07:28

So who tf is wonder man? It's funny ive know about them for years and years but don't know anything about them

Sharkfowl2025-10-12 07:29

Actor with superpowers

knottyErin2622025-10-12 07:30

Like a mutant or just some guy kinda like zatanna using their powers for show?

Sharkfowl2025-10-12 07:31

I’m not sure. I don’t think he’s a mutant though.

idlefritz2025-10-12 09:49

He’s an immortal shape shifting superman analog with energy control powers and teleportation on top of the Superman powers. I remember him being ionic energy but I can’t remember how he got the powers. He’s on Sentry level without the alter ego

Brianvondoom2025-10-12 12:25

Zemo gave him the powers. He was a villain, who infiltrated the Avengers to become the very first post Cap member. However he face turned and "died" because he needed drugs from Zemo to survive.

In the real world, its strongly rumoured marvel were worried about DC getting litigious due to the name being so similar to Wonder Woman.

Then he was brought back when it was strongly rumoured marvel got annoyed DC wouldn't stop printing Captain Marvel in return. It's at this point Wondys story becomes comic book crazy, becoming Beasts best friend, becoming the basis for Visions mind, falling in love with Wanda, becoming an actor, being a total coward because he didn't want to die so letting Cap and Hawkeye go first in fights for a couple years, dies again, Wanda brings him back as a weird Stand summon thing, then he gets better. Eventually he chases Carol Danvers for a few years, then becomes a pacifist.

DemanoRock2025-10-12 15:34

I am going to assume you just summarized the plot. Exactly as it will play out

Brianvondoom2025-10-12 16:20

Yes it is in fact an accurate and flawless retelling of the script I just saw

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:02

This is slightly misleading, but not enough for its downvote imo. It just emphasises the wrong things. Like “shape shifting”? Only technically, not in the way that typically implies. “Superman analog”? He’s strong & handsome. That’s about it. Can’t even fly, traditionally. Needed a belt of rockets for that. “Teleportation”??? I guess that might’ve happened once or twice? It’d be like citing “can shoot rainbows from his fingertips” on a Superman overview this short. Like yeah he *did* but… it’s not exactly vital info? 😅

atomcrafter2025-10-12 16:29

He's a guy that Zemo gave powers to.

Also, the thing in WandaVision, where Wanda brings Vision back from nothing was lifted from Wonder Man. He was dead for years, and now he doesn't know if he's real anymore.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:10

The actor parts a late addition to his canon which writers simply gravitate towards cuz it’s a unique gimmick & easy sell. I guess it’s like summing up Lex Luthor as “evil super-smart businessman”, even though the businessman part was only added in after 40+ years of existence. But otherwise you’re left with “evil super-smart… *guy*” unless you wanna dive deep into his specific motivations & arcs.

Anyway he had the powers (and had been on the Avengers) before the actor angle. I’ve read most Wonder Man stuff and can’t actually tell you about a single role he’s had or blockbuster title he starred in or on-set experience. >!Granted; his own 90s ongoing dealt with that the most and the version I “read” at the time was in another language…!<

ArcDraco2025-10-12 09:27

He's an enhanced hero, like Cap, except with energy based powers. I don't know too much about him because despite being a regular Avenger with a unique profession of being an actor, he ironically hasn't had a lot of spotlight in modern media.

A bit of trivia about him is that his mind was used as the basis for Vision's when Ultron created him.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 14:35

Okay card-carrying Wonder Fan coming through.

**Origin:** He was the subject of an early (like, year one) Avengers issue in which the OG WWII Baron Zemo - having learnt Cap had survived their 1940s arctic encounter & returned - plotted to infiltrate the Avengers and destroy them from the inside. He manipulated Simon Williams into being his mole. Simon was the millionaire inheritor of a weapons manufacturing empire, that had gone bankrupt due to Stark Industries. And Stark was the Avenger’s public-facing financier, so it was an easy sell. Zemo empowered him with a big science ray, dressed him up as “Wonder Man” and sent him in.

**Story:** unsurprisingly, the Avengers are so nice to Simon that he ends up feeling bad, changing sides for real and dying a hero in their defence by issue’s end. He retains this hallowed legacy as the tragic sacrificial Avenger for maybe a decade, gets mentioned/revived a few times, and eventually a revival sticks (for a while; he’s died & returned again A LOT more since). He’s ended up as a core top-15 Avenger in terms of overall tenure & impact on the franchise, and is properly woven into their dynamic; basis for Vision’s brain, suitor for Wanda, ties to Pym/Jan via Ultron, the aforementioned Tony parallels & Cap connection, he’s a lynch-pin in their whole convoluted found-family tree.

**Powers:** so here’s where it gets a lil quirky. Zemo’s big science ray imbued Simon with “ionic” energy. Which was simply the latest sciencey buzzword Stan Lee had discovered, and started a tradition of heavy hitters being empowered by smart-sounding particles. Black Bolt & “electrons”, Captain Marvel & “photons”, Blue Marvel & “anti-matter” etc.. It’s traditionally represented as purple arc-lightning/Kirby Krackle, and it made him STRONG. Like, my intro to him was atop of [this strength chart](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/14/Amazing_Spider-Man_Annual_Vol_1_15_page_-_Power_Rankings.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/985?cb=20220313093428), alongside Thor & Hulk. And he’s been flippantly called “Sentry-level” before (I’d always hoped his big screen debut would be a MoS-tier gold light vs purple crackle slobberknocker testing that, alas…). IIRC it’s why he originally died; human cells couldn’t handle the sheer POWAH. But plot twist! It’s also how he keeps coming BACK! The process essentially Dr Manhattan’d him. It sorta disintegrated his mortal flesh & turned him INTO a man-shaped tulpa of pure “ionic” energy. Hence why he wears shades (he’s got badass all-red eyes, like the inner energy shining through the human veneer).

***THEMES!:*** So this’ the fun part IMO. Put all of this together, and Wonder Man can consistently be boiled down to 3 talking points. You can essentially tell if a writer “gets” the character by check-listing off their inclusion. And they all rhyme^kinda ! Namely, they’re: Morality, Mortality, Humanity. 1) Due to the nature of his origin, he’s routinely struggling with the question of whether he’s fundamentally a good person or not. Which is compounded by 2) due to the nature of his experiences, he is TERRIFIED of death. Sometimes to the point of cowardice, despite his absurd strength. Which is partially because 3) due to the nature of his *powers,* he’s constantly second-guessing *whether he’s even real.* He’s evidently not “human” after all, so is he even the actual Simon Williams? Or just a data ghost who thinks he is? An ionic golem with the real human Simon’s memories? As you can see these all flow into each other nicely as a neat lil trifecta of existential dread.

**NB 1 - ACTOR:** oh yeah I totally forgot to wiggle in the actor thing lel. IIRC it was originally an extension of the “Mortality” fixation? Like; he wanted the thrill of heroism & adulation of civilians, but didn’t wanna risk *dying* anymore. So parlayed his Avengers cred into a Hollywood career. I think the other 2 tenets might’ve retrospectively been tied into it too (the selfishness of just wanting to be seen/loved, and the need to be seen/loved like he’s a HUMAN). Frankly tho it’s just a gimmick someone added one time that’s stuck. And is evidently why he’s being adapted at all so hey it panned out. 😂 Oo come to think of it, maybe the meta angle is how they’ll tackle all of the bullet points instead. Like, is the character of “Wonder Man” that Simon plays “real” or not. 🤔

**NB 2 - VILLAIN:** oh also his brother/archnemesis is gonna be in it. Eric Williams, aka Grim Reaper. Flashbacks have established he was always a sociopath and egged on Simon’s shittier actions pre-Zemo. He went full-spandex cuz he blamed the Avengers for Simon’s initial death and wanted to kill them in retribution (IIRC it was the same issue Black Panther joined & single-handedly thwarted him, so another family-tree connection). But he’s also insane so flip-flops a lot on how dead he wants Simon too after all. He ticks all 3 boxes; Simon’s closest blood-relative revels in being ultra-evil, so is *he* genetically predisposed to it too (Morality)? He’s literally fashioned himself after the concept of DEATH, Simon’s specifically (Mortality). And he’s one of the main pushers of the “YOU’RE NOT MY REAL BROTHA YOU’RE JUDT A MOCKERY OF HIS MEMORY” angle (Humanity).

**NB 3 - SO THE DEATH THING:** just 2 lil trivia nuggets I think are neat and worth sharing since I’ve covered fkn everything else imaginable. Due to how early it happened Simon *mmmmmmight* be the Patient Zero of “comic book death”? I.e. how it never sticks and characters’ll always come back? He set the precedent & opened the door. Jim Starlin certainly thinks so at least. In his “Marvel: The End” mini, he explicitly names Simon’s resurrection as the original cosmic glitch that spread like a cancer & sent the universe hurtling to shit. The second nugget… D’ya wanna know who bought that original 1960s Avengers issue about Wonder Man off the shelf as a kid and really REALLY liked it? >!George R.R. Martin. And he was gravely disappointed about him coming back and becoming just another interchangeable face on the roster. Undermined the poignancy of his end, and such. So, yknow; every shocking death in GoT you can probably lady at Simon’s feet. 😛!<

Bird-The-Word2025-10-12 14:53

This is a great write up. Thank you

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:29

I went so off the rails with detail that I’m considering copy-pasting it as it’s own thread for MCU fans interested in the character. Or would that be uncouth? 🤔

Bird-The-Word2025-10-12 21:26

I love in depth summaries like this. I don't need to read every single bit of every run like Wikipedia usually has.

Glangho2025-10-12 15:35

I don't think this does justice to just how convoluted Wonder Man's backstory is haha.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:45

I hit the key points IMO. Didn’t see the purpose in listing every individual death & revival. And tbph I couldn’t accurately tell you what order certain revelations came in. 😅

Plus the Vision stuff ain’t gonna be relevant. No more than Hank Pym was to the Ultron movie.

Bae_zel2025-10-12 16:32

This is actually so cool, kinda makes me want to read him honestly

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 16:53

Should I repost it as it’s own thread for visibilities sake, IYO?

Bae_zel2025-10-12 17:07

Go ahead

Naked_Snake_22025-10-12 07:56

pretty sure director will be like ill make superhero movie on an indie budget, and will end up giving our main actor powers , and will make the movie with no cgi and will actually thow our, the protagonist in dangerous situations...

Simple-Accountant-242025-10-12 08:34

U might be spot on

idlefritz2025-10-12 09:46

As I remember that was his hook in the West Coast Avengers days, able to do all his own sfx stunts.

An-292025-10-12 09:35

He did say he wanted to blur the line between fiction and reality.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 12:55

…does nobody even look up names anymore?

He’s MICHAEL KORVAC.

Dudes gonna end up like Dr Manhattan.

Yellow_Master2025-10-12 15:28

Where are you getting Korvac from? They only refer to him as Kovac in the trailer.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:42

I mean I misspelled it as Kovac at first before Googling it and discovering that’s a real actor now. 😂

Point being it’s close enough. And can be pronounced nigh-identically. It’s almost definitely him, given the Wonder Man connection (both thematically & historically, from Korvac’s Avengers arc). Could’ve sworn they said “Michael” at some point too, will check when I rewatch it with my brother later. 🤔

Edit: indeed I misheard. Still think it’s him tho

Flamechar332025-10-12 22:07

they mostly refer to him as "Von Kovac" - so it could very well be they're hiding his first name because it's Michael

BravoLeader30002025-10-13 13:36

I'm assuming it is Korvac. A friend of mine who has been a lifelong Marvel comics fan as well as almost as big an MCU fan commented after seeing the trailer: "Also... I think they're TOTALLY REIMAGINING Michael Korvac! Which... Ok! Big swing on a mostly forgotten but historically VERY IMPORTANT avengers adversary!!"

TikkiEXX772025-10-12 14:18

Think the director might be the big bad. And I think you probably nailed it. Looks like that's exactly what's going on. If they were talking about getting Leonardo di caprio how did Simon end up getting the role? Yeah there's definitely more to it.

HellHound0072025-10-12 23:05

Reminds me a bit of the What If season 3 episode "What If... Agatha Went to Hollywood?" where Stark mentions that Agatha is great because they can just replace effects/CGI with actual witchcraft/magic.

Simple-Accountant-242025-10-12 08:34

I honestly hope it stays true to it's premise and doesnt go near the usual capeshit.

I want to see Wonder Man engage in wonderful debauchery with wonderful men and wonderful women.

like he unknowingly becomes a hero and uk sort of rolls with it for the fame and not any of that righteous bs.

stickinrink2025-10-12 08:39

The trailer reminds me a lot of WandaVision and the magic of the show where you had no idea what was going on.

claras_worldx2025-10-12 16:34

As a viewer with no knowledge of Wonder Man, this trailer was really consuming and unexpected. But I’m intrigued..

Mr-Stuff-Doer2025-10-12 22:36

Yeah honestly it’s been a long time since I’ve genuinely wondered, man: “hey what the fuck is happening in this next mcu project” and that FASCINATES me, because they’re genuinely giving us nothing here.

Weird_Angry_Kid2025-10-12 09:07

Good thing about no one knowing who Wonder Man is, is that there aren't any chuds complaining about the fact that they race-swapped him.

Proud-Concept-1902025-10-12 09:27

nathon fillion would have been a great wonder man too, he was proposed as a poster in gotg 2

Glangho2025-10-12 15:28

Twenty years ago maybe lmao

ScuzzBuckster2025-10-13 00:42

I stg people on reddit suggest nathan fillion for literally every comic book character lmao.

OwlAffectionate4222025-10-12 11:13

Well I just find out now about the wonder man show and I am surprised and disappointed that he is black …. Black people aren't substitute White people. We have our own cultures, heritage, and perspectives.

Give us original black characters 😥

njchil2025-10-12 11:28

You don't need to define everything by the colour of someone's skin man. If they're right for the role they're right for the role. America is made up of all different skin colours and this guy is playing an American actor in a show. I'm sure he relates to the culture, heritage and perspective that people are expecting

myshtummyhurt-2025-10-12 11:35

It's also just a fictional show. And recasting a character as black doesn't make black ppl substitute white ppl lmao

aditysiva17052025-10-12 12:10

Lmao, go check the comments on marvel UK’s post of the trailer. The “DEI WONDER MAN” comments are already there. They don’t care if they know who the character is. They just care that he wasn’t black before.

BravoLeader30002025-10-13 13:41

FFUUUUUUUCCCKKK THEM All right in the ear.

chu_chumba2025-10-12 12:56

I've already seen someone complain about gender swapping. Either someone confused him with Wonder Woman, or someone doesn't know the difference between gender and race, which pretty much says everything you need to know about the people writing these angry comments.

BravoLeader30002025-10-13 13:41

Or maybe the difference between DC and Marvel? 🤣😂🤣

machine_made2025-10-12 16:00

Recasting “white” characters is so huge in pop culture discourse that I am very interested to see if this show decides to actually dig deeply into this as part of the story arc.

It feels like the show is leaning into this with the idea of a reboot of an old franchise in universe.

If Simon “gets” powers as part of the story, or if the story is that the audience argues that what is being filmed is faked if he is introduced already having powers, could be super interesting ways to critique ideas around equity, fairness, opportunity, bias, etc.

This also makes me curious what we’ll learn about the “original” Wonder Man, is he still around? Will he have a cameo in the reboot?

alenpetak112025-10-12 17:16

Hehe, i already can hear The Critical Drinker naming him Wonder Person.

V2Blast2025-10-13 04:47

That's because their favorite racist chud YouTubers haven't told them to be angry about it yet.

idlefritz2025-10-12 09:45

They have a chance here at a hero who is somewhat undeveloped in the comicbooks and potentially iconic for the MCU. They stepped on him a bit with intro to the Sentry but he has great potential.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:18

Undeveloped? *Simon?* Nah fam he’s one of their most fully-realized. Shit his layers are all downright philosophical.

ScuzzBuckster2025-10-13 00:48

Bro fr Wonder Man is *extremely* developed in the comics. He has a long history. I think what they mean to say is take a character who is less well-known compared to the heavy hitters.

odiin17312025-10-12 09:56

Well, yeah. There's a while show more. We've only seen like 2 minutes so far.

arian_ezequiel2025-10-12 11:44

It this one of those show's that has been finished for a while now but it was so bad they didn't know what to do with it?

dgtssc2025-10-12 12:05

Know what… go full I Saw the TV Glow

The Grim Reaper could very well operate like a Mr Melancholy type of character.

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 13:05

Okay well since noboby’s brought it up apparently:

The Director character is named as [Michael Korvac.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korvac)

A fairly iconic (if short-term) Avengers villain in the “insane reality warping energy being who could feasibly destroy & remake the universe” vein. Also he’s physically made of energy IIRC, so a nice mirror-image foil for Wonder Man (who’s always been “an Avenger” more then his own standalone guy).

His line about wanting this to be the LAST superhero movie is ominous foreshadowing; unless the names a red herring, he’s likely scheming to bootstrap himself up to omnipotence and idk, annihilate existence. Maybe there’ll be a meta edge where it turns out - as an auteur - he hates “capeshit”, but has been driven mad by the fact that the world he lives in IS capeshit.

jpeffteedubya2025-10-12 13:30

My guess is that the director wants to give the actors powers somehow. It works on Simon, he gets the part, the show focuses on that.

14_EricTheRed2025-10-12 14:01

I don’t know how, but up until the preview, I had no idea who wonder man is. It looks like it’s going to be an entertaining show and it (hopefully) won’t have a “take over the world / blow up the world” type of villain.

In my 5-minutes of research, this guy part of West Coast avengers? Could this be the start of another new Avengers team, especially since our “Young Avengers” are going to be like 40 if a movie about them ever gets made?

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:24

I just finished a massive infodump on him in reply to someone else if you wanted the Q(ish)RD.

Didn’t even mention the West Coast Avengers stint in it. 😂 tho IMO no, I strongly doubt that’s any such plan. WCA was simply their first (arguably second? After the OG Champions team) attempt at expanding their output of Avengers publications. Bendis’ run opened the floodgates for far more contemporary alt-team names (New, Mighty, Dark etc.). In fact the MCU technically already did the WCA; they revamped the team at the end of Avengers 2 and relocated to California, remember?

(Edit: also alas yes I’m sorry but the comics’ “Michael Korvac” is a pretty definitive blow-up-the-world type of villain 😔 )

maxfridsvault2025-10-12 14:02

would be interesting if this ends up building up to West Coast Avengers

-Clint/Kate

-Moon Knight

-Vision

-Wonder Man

-War Machine

then they could throw in someone like Tigra

alex4942025-10-12 14:20

Kate Bishop's college friend shares Tigra's civilian name so maybe

maxfridsvault2025-10-12 15:05

does she really?! never picked up on that

alex4942025-10-12 15:11

Well she calls her Greer so I can only assume it's her

maxfridsvault2025-10-12 16:28

100% intentional

Hawkeye and his wife Mockingbird were the leaders of that team, and even in the Hawkeye series they went out of their way to show that Clint’s wife used to operate as a Mockingbird agent for SHIELD

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:25

The MCU already did a cheeky reference to the WCA. It was Cap, Falcon, Wanda, Vision & IIRC Rhodey.

vim_deezel2025-10-12 17:35

People keep throwing out war machine, but I don't think it's going to happen, they might pull in iron heart

Impressive-Potato2025-10-12 22:24

Shang Chi was living in San Francisco.

maxfridsvault2025-10-12 23:56

I was gonna say Shang Chi would be another good fit in place of Scarlet Witch

I read the early runs of WCA and she became a core member but there was also this weird love triangle between her, Vision, and Wonder Man that I didn’t like and I don’t think would fit the MCU version of the character at all given her current status.

I kind of hate how the MCU shows tried to set up both Young Avengers and WCA at once without really knowing what they’re going to do with them (or even who the current main Avengers members are).

ScuzzBuckster2025-10-13 00:46

The wanda/vision/wonder man triangle goes *reaaaally* deep and it gets pretty fucking confusing, I'm glad they havent really adapted that.

And I've been sayin since Endgame that the next Avengers movie should be West Coast Avengers, they started setting up several people on the west coast and I *assumed* that's where they were headed but then nope. They revealed Kang Dynasty instead, so I thought, well maybe we'll get a WCA team in Kang Dynasty? Well now its Doomsday and def no WCA hahahha

NivekHang2025-10-12 14:33

RaceSwapMan

BlackLesnar2025-10-12 15:26

Hey at least here it’s literally part of the plot.

PucaFilms2025-10-12 14:43

How I see it going down

* Reboot of famous superhero IP - MCU meta commentary.
* Director's new approach is to literally give someone powers, it works on Simon.
* Dude becomes movie star, enjoys the fame of it all.
* Simon has to get involved in some real crime fighting, and blurs the line between character and actor. Also he probably sucks at fighting or lets the arrogance go to his head, literally becoming Wonder Man.
* The Grim Reaper is revealed to be some TV exec and the whole thing has been manipulated by some evil organisation, using the entertainment industry as a front.

themysticalwarlock2025-10-12 15:05

I had no fuckin clue Ed Harris was in this

neeesus2025-10-12 15:29

You mean, it’s NOT just a show about him becoming the character wonder man on the TV show?

high_everyone2025-10-12 15:34

I’m betting whoever played the original Wonder Man was subjected to the same thing Simon will have been subjected to. It may involve killing or harming the other actors who all showed up at the mansion.

But I’m betting Simon is the only willing to endure it or survives it and then faces the original Wonder Man at some point.

That’s my take from the trailer.

STINGZGAMING2025-10-12 15:34

I can't wait to see Man's debut in the MCU. What an awesome crossover

Just_A_Doorknob2025-10-12 15:58

It was definitely a trailer for episode 1 more than anything

hitma-n2025-10-12 16:24

It’s gonna be like WandaVision. Lots of initial episodes gonna show what’s shown in the trailer and towards the end episodes the real thing comes out.

atomcrafter2025-10-12 16:24

It looks like he'll get powers as part of an enforced method acting thing.

ChocolateBBs2025-10-12 16:42

I watched the trailer but don't understand it. Is this part of the MCU at all?

Gasparde2025-10-12 16:47

> We know Simon has or will get powers somehow.

Do we? I don't. I don't read comic books. I don't watch interviews about upcoming shows or movies. I don't know anything about this guy, neither in this show or in his source material. All I know about him is what they showed in the trailers - and that wasn't much.

> Not to mention Grim Reaper is in the show

Trailer didn't mention that, how would anyone know?

> Ed Harris’ character Neal who is supposedly an antagonist as well as that DODC agent is in the show

Ed Harris wasn't even in the trailer, let alone was there anything about his character.

> the trailer is clearly hiding what’s actually going on in the show

You mean the grand total of like 4 frames where the guy has some slightly sparkly eyes or is screaming?

I'm sorry, but this is a *horrible* trailer if the intention was to get anyone not already deeply in the know and heavily looking forward to this excited. I have no idea what this has to do with the MCU other than Trevor being in it - and considering how they're even making jokes about Trevor being a terrorist in this, like, with such a level of nonchalance, I don't even know if this is just some multiverse nonsense that has nothing to do with the actual MCU even. If anything this trailer actually annoys me because it has one of my favorite brand stamps on it yet it didn't make *any* attempts at even just remotely getting me interested.

It's a guy wanting to star in a movie. About superheroes. And, apparently, if you pause at just the right moments, we see him having sparkly eyes so we know there's more to it. Seriously, that's it? *That* is it? *"We here at Disney aren't particularly sure why we're no longer pulling the same numbers"*

Magathus2025-10-12 16:50

Why the raceswap tho? They had Fillion right fucking there...

QBin20172025-10-12 17:46

The DoDC has been the secret villain building in the background for a while.

They’re slowly building a habit of going after mutants and powered people (even jailing them in Ms Marvel and She Hulk).

I’m almost at 100% positive that they will be the entity to create the Sentinels in X-Men

pahbalow2025-10-12 17:53

I’m starting to question if he actually is Simon Williams. His manager at one point says “go method” so I’m wondering if he’s trying to fully embody the classic role in universe for his role to amp up his audition, seeing that we saw Trevor go first and he did great

lifth3avy842025-10-12 18:53

My favorite thing about the trailer is 1. How meta it feels, and 2. They’re so clearly riffing on the success of The Studio. The music, the frantic pacing, the Hollywood-ness of it all.

HyruleBalverine2025-10-12 20:01

Personally, I find it hilarious that they brought back Trevor again!

Whiteshadows862025-10-12 22:31

I think Ben Kingsley enjoys the role as it gives him chance to play an over exaggerated version of himself!

Dramatic_Piano_1452025-10-12 20:04

I agree with you that there is more to the show, but I disagree with liking the trailer for that reason. The trailer was underwhelming as heck cause it felt like it was revving up to a twist or reveal. Nope.

drnprz2025-10-12 21:08

WAIT WHAT THE NEW WONDERMAN TRAILER IS OUT ALREADY?

DarkEater772025-10-12 21:35

i just want to see him going physically made of energy... i'm worried he won't, to save some budget...

Poopy_Zombie_6252025-10-12 21:55

They're gonna give him super powers to make the acting realistic or something

Raj_Valiant30112025-10-12 22:36

It certainly has more than meets the eye.

gcg2265082025-10-13 00:00

I’ve seen people complaining about how it doesn’t look like a super hero show. It’s crazy how media literally is dying

ThePatchedVest2025-10-13 00:52

Why is it looking like *Wonder Man* gonna be like "Haha, we're just a goofy comedy like *The Studio* \--- SYKE B\*TCH, IT'S *LEGION* 2"

hotheaded262025-10-13 01:20

January? I thought this was on december. Does that mean no more marvel projects this year?

DJettster2372025-10-13 03:41

His origin is kinda bonkers in the comics because it's not as straight forward and he seemed to be an actor for a little while. I wonder what they will do different.

xdrkcldx2025-10-13 03:46

Isn’t Wonder Man supposed to be Visions brother? So, his powers are the same as Vision? Are they changing his backstory for the show

Liberals_Are_Low_IQ2025-10-13 04:25

Welp another race swapping failure. Marvel Studios will never learn

atsunatsu2025-10-13 19:19

He'll do anything for the role, even sell his soul